Golden Dawn MEP, Georgios Epitideios visited New York and as “The National Herald” revealed on Saturday, he met with members and staff of Golden Dawn’s division in New York.
Shortly before his departure for Brussels he held a press interview with “The National Herald” at the hotel he was staying at in Long Island City, Queens.
Also in attendance for the interview was Michalis Giannagkonas, member of Golden Dawn’s central committee, who accompanied the European Parliament member and whom communicated his pleasure with the reception that was expressed by members and staff of the Golden Dawn NY Division and “ opportunity that they had to meet in person the diaspora and feel proud .”
The MEP clarified that he accepted the proposal without the slightest bit of reluctance by the staff of Golden Dawn’s New York Division to be interviewed by “The National Herald” and among other things stated: “We thank the national Herald, because by honoring your journalistic obligations, you provide us with an avenue to express our opinions, because as you may unfortunately know, in Greece, we have been excluded by the mass media”.
The complete text of the interview reads as follows:
“N.H.”: What are the objectives of this visit in New York?
G. Epitideios: The objective of this visit was to becoming acquainted with the diaspora. We are a new party, that functions in the patriotic space and that’s the reason we want to meet our compatriots that live abroad in this large hospitable country that pass on our ways of Hellenism to their children… they keep Hellenism alive here, they form an excellent living bridge with the homeland. I am delighted because on Sunday, visiting St. Irene Chrysovalantou we saw the young children reciting poems in Greek, presenting the story of 1940, and this moved us because it shows the continuity of Hellenism in America.
“N.H.”: What impression did you receive from the meeting with members and staff of the Golden Dawn NY Division?
G. Epitideios: These kids- most under thirty years old – are proud Greeks that know the history of Greece and are upset with the things taking place in Greece. The messages were very encouraging. These kids knew of lot of things taking place in Greece and from the things we told them, they understood the reason why this misinformation exists.
“N.H.”: Did you meet with the Consulate General of Greece or other authorities?
G. Epitideios: No, because the visit had no official status. It was in response to an invitation from the local division. Of course, this gave us the opportunity to meet up with other members of the diaspora on a purely personal level.
“N.H.”: For thirteen months now, the presidents, the MPs and other Golden Dawn staff are imprisoned. The party has been described as Nazi style, and yet at the recent elections it emerged with three European Parliament members. How was this possible?
G. Epitideios: Firstly, Golden Dawn is accused of being a criminal organization. This is a charge which brings about laughter in even freshmen law students. Serious and prominent attorneys in Greece don’t even mention this, because it is charge, which has collapsed from the first moment and no one believed it, most of all the Greek people didn’t believe it.
In order for such an organization to exist, in addition to the crimes that must have been committed, there must have been an element of financial gain from these crimes. This is expressed in the Palermo Protocols, which is enforced by all the democratic nations around the world. If there is no financial gain in an activity, there is no criminal organization. So this charge has collapsed. You mentioned early that Golden Dawn is accused of being a Nazi party. Even if it was a Nazi party the prosecution against us would still be unlawful, because as you know, ideas can’t be prosecuted.
Golden Dawn is not a Nazi party, because first of all, the official position of Golden Dawn is that we are nationalists. So it has nothing to do with Nazism. Nor has it supported any beliefs nor has anyone praised any “feats” of Nazism.
Firstly, we don’t have a reason to have Hitler as an example and as an idol, because we are Greeks and we have so many heroes from ancient times until today to choose from as an idol if we wanted too, and more so because Nazism is a German political theory which ended with the death of its founder. So why should we embrace something like this.
You’ll ask me why they say this. They say this – unfortunately – because they have no political arguments to face us with. Implementing a principle of propaganda, when one can’t face their adversary, one tries to either to ridicule him, or one tries to demonize him. They can’t ridicule us because we don’t give them that right. We don’t give them the right to demonize us either. The lack of arguments by them has driven them to these desperate actions, is what probably causes the world to laugh.
Unfortunately, the “sin” that Golden Dawn has perpetrated has to do with the fact that it loves Greece, tells the truth, says and does what others would want to do, but are afraid to do it. This “sin” plus some orders from abroad had resulted in the imprisonment of leader and party staff, with no proof of anything of which they are accused of.
As you can understand the Greek people are a smart and sympathetic people. Smart to know what is going on around them and sympathetic towards those that are wronged. We have been wronged, so the Greek people are sympathetic towards us.
Golden Dawn has the support of the average people, the people next door. We don’t have big names in our party at every party level. We don’t have old politicians that are involved in political scandals. We don’t have people that are wealthy, that have churned out from a political factory line and who haven’t worked a day in their lives and basically found themselves in the headlines and took power. We are made up of people that love the homeland and have worked in their lives, they are articulate people and above all else are human, that don’t want to destroy the homeland, and that’s why they support us. That is the reason why Golden Dawn hasn’t suffered from the unacceptable and clearly political persecution that has been perpetrated against it.
We are at the forefront of a national struggle and they support us in our fight in the name of the homeland. That is the reason why constantly rise in the polls and why they have chosen us three to represent them in the European parliament. We haven’t disappointed them with our work thus far. We have raised attention to national issues which the two parties of the coalition have not.
Secondly, we have informed the whole world on what is transpiring with Golden Dawn. Who we are, why we are being persecuted, and so the whole world knows that Golden Dawn is being prosecuted and that the leadership and the staff are found imprisoned for political reasons. At the very least we can say we have eliminated the excuse for them to anyone to say “we didn’t know”.
“N.H.”: Do you work with MEPs of the other parties?
G. Epitideios: The MEPs of the other parties at first wanted to isolate us. They didn’t accomplish this because we didn’t allow them too and because they realized if they continued they would disgrace themselves. That’s why; at least most of them say a hello. Others go one step further, we speak, we exchange views and so forth. For the time being – and unfortunately – they haven’t asked for our help and they haven’t made a move to be able to jointly defend national interest.
But that does not especially concern us because we are doing what we are supposed to be doing. Whenever we find the opportunity, we present out national interests and we do it in cooperation with the rest.
“N.H.”: Do you feel more isolated in Brussels, or in Greece?
G. Epitideios: In Greece, because the foreigners have approached us, we have exchanged opinions, we’ve work mainly with the MEPs of the other nationalist parties and we have even asked joint questions and they’ve also requested our collaboration on several occasions.
In the European Parliament things are much better than they are in Greece, because these people have some principles, they enforce some rues, they support some pretexts. In the beginning they had fallen victims to the propaganda and they looked at us strangely. But from the first moment we appeared they realized the absurdity and now we are anything but isolated.
“N.H.”: How are you treated by the Greek and foreign press and the secret services?
G. Epitideios: In regards to the press in Greece, they have isolated us, because they have received orders and they are trying to carry them out. Of course, this doesn’t bother us. As you have seen from the results, the Greek people support us and vote for, and bring Golden Dawn higher in the polls. It is clear that our political adversaries don’t know how to face us. And they don’t know how to face us because they don’t know us. They assume we are like them, in the sense that we have the same philosophy, the same aspirations, the same objectives and they assume that by acting this way toward us they are doing us harm.
They are not doing us harm they are strengthening us. Let me use a military expression that goes as follows: “if one enemy knew how the other enemy would act, then he would recognize what the enemy has in store for him”.
The “political” enemy doesn’t know us and that’s why he doesn’t know how to face us, and for that reason I would say jokingly “If I could, I would send Antonis Samaras, the prime minister of the nation, a thank you card hoping he will continue doing the things he is doing to us, because they strengthen us”.
Unfortunately this tactic implemented against us by our political adversaries has affected some of our comrades. For our leader, for members of parliament, for our supporters whom find themselves in prison without reason and who are suffering. Our adversaries are violating every notion of justice, democracy and equality, and without reason have taken away people’s freedom, they have caused problems for families, and they have even refused the right for some to see their newborn children.
Those impersonating the democrats, the humanitarians, have demonstrated such an inhuman attitude toward us, that if it is not the result of stupidity – which I don’t believe it to be – it is at the very least a result of issues against us and orders they have received from abroad. As for the second part of your question, I must stress that it would be completely naïve of me, if I believed that the secret services weren’t monitoring us. After all, that is their job. I consider it a given, and on the other hand I believe they haven’t bothered us because we haven’t given them that right.
“N.H.”: Are you feeling the same pressure that your party is?
G. Epitideios: The way in which a person reacts to pressure is also a result of that person’s personality. So I will speak completely for myself. I don’t feel any problem. Firstly as military officer I have overcome certain fears or at least certain syndromes of that category, and secondly, because we haven’t done anything wrong. We are a legal party, we are fighting a legitimate political struggle and we have no reason to commit illegal activities.
“N.H.”: The polls indicate a change in the political landscape. How do you see the political situation?
G. Epitideios: It is a fact that the political situation in Greece is in a state of flux. I don’t know if the difference between New Democracy and SYRIZA is a 5 or 8 percent difference. I definitely think there is a great difference in favor of SYRIZA which is undeniable. I believe that everyone should be prepared and that the next government will be a SYRIZA one, whether some people like it or not.
I believe this will be the new reality, because this is the new norm in society. It doesn’t matter if SYRIZA is first and if they form a government. What matters is that there is political opposition that is truly an opposition.
So, SYRIZA will be the government, and we will be the opposition, Golden Dawn. We will be the national opposition party even if we aren’t the second party and are the third. We are fortification for anything that is directed against the interest of the nation and the people. Even now, that we are steadily the third party.
They fear us politically and that’s why they face us they way they do. With us as the opposition party and because they will need to New Democracy dragging behind on national issues to save whatever it can of its political reputation. So we aren’t bothered by the fact that SYRIZA will be first, it empowers us that we will be the ones standing against them. This is why you see SYRIZA and other leftists accept and make as if they don’t understand these unacceptable, these undemocratic tactics employed by the government.
They want to believe they have the indemnity and that they won’t be targeted in the future by whomever may be in power. But, when the time comes for them to pass through the gates of political hell of which they opened, they will remember Dante’s words: “Abandon all hope”. Then, it will be too late to repent. They will enter political hell having lost all hope. This doesn’t concerns us in the slightest, because they will get what they deserve and good for them.
This is why SYRIZA doesn’t obstruct New Democracy and PASOK from doing what they are doing at the expense of Golden Dawn. At least with this tactic the leftists’ belief that they are democrats has been demystified. If they were democrats and loved freedom and democracy they would react against the persecution against Golden Dawn.
“N.H.”: Is post-election cooperation with SYRIZA out of the question?
G. Epitideios: Golden Dawn supports every effort, whose aim is to serve the national interest. And Golden Dawn has demonstrated this; Golden Dawn has supported some draft laws brought before parliament by SYRIZA, which were advantages and positive for the nation’s interests.
So when it doesn’t negatively affect the nation’s interests, Golden Dawn will not counter. When the national and social interest is negatively affected, then Golden Dawn will be against them. We are open; we don’t suffer from the syndromes our political adversaries’ suffer from, whatever those may be.
“N.H.”: What do you think of the possibility of early elections?
G. Epitideios: If it were possible, this coalition government should have already gone. The sooner the process for their expulsion from the political scene, the better it will be for Greece. These people have failed at everything, they have impoverished the Greek people they have surrendered national independence. So the sooner they go the better.
In terms of what is believed in Europe, it depends on which Europe we speak of. For the government of the European states, they have political criteria to judge by. In regards to the people, they think positively of Greece, many of them are upset about what is going on in Greece, they believe that what is happening to Golden Dawn in Greece is unprecedented, it is undemocratic and it isn’t acceptable of a civilized nation.